Tuesday, November 21, 2006

Let's Fight!

Egypt is a land of softly whispered tension between several different groups waiting to spontaneously combust. Lets meet the combatants...

The Young Moderates- A group between the ages of 16 and 35 who desire a moderate, sectarian democracy elected by the people. Probably the smallest group in Egypt found primarily on blogs. Enemy- The Islamic Extremists

The Islamic Extremists- Consisting of all ages and social backgrounds often oppressed by unemployment. Fueled not by their faith but by their hate for America and Israel and all of their allies whether actual or assumed (Egypt's Christians). Their existence is largely thanks to the popularity of the Muslim Brotherhood, (a group that grew out of protest against British Occupation) Wahabism imported from Saudi Arabia, poverty and boredom. Enemy- Everyone

The Average Joe's- Tired, oppressed and angry and indoctrinated into extremist thinking by the thousands daily. Enemy- Everyone

The Christians- Falsely recorded by the Egyptian government as 6% of the population (closer to 12%). A constant target of animosity often spoken negatively about in social circles and sometimes targeted in public. Enemy- The Islamic extremists

What do they all have in common? They all hate Mubarak. Why?

The Young Moderates- Because he silences the opposition by any means necessary, divides foreign aid among his business partners and his generals and insists on ruling until his death despite claiming to be democratically elected.

The Islamic Extremists- Because he maintains peace with Israel, is an ally to the U.S. doesn't slaughter Christians and does not enforce Islamic law.

The Average Joe's- For all the reasons listed above

The Christians- Because he does a crappy job of protecting them from violence and hatred. Also silencing them from speaking out about it.

So what will happen when Hosni Mubarak dies and his son Gamal assumes power? Well this might help...

Political and religious enemies + Government instability = CIVIL WAR

Does this seem familiar to anyone?


At 6:37 AM, Blogger Arima said...

All to familiar- great post btw and very nice style. Another good one D.B if a little depressing bas hani3mil eih?

At 1:38 PM, Blogger Egyptian magician said...

I believe that if the current government was deposed, and sharia was instituted that would solve all our problems. At least that would address most issues and the corruption.

At 1:51 PM, Blogger D.B. Shobrawy said...


At 1:56 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Very well said D.B.!!

I think you're pretty accurate there with your descriptions. And I definitely would be a card-carrying member of the 'Young Moderates' of Egypt even though I'm a Christian :)

I also think you are SUPER brave for admitting the problems that the different segments in society face. I bet if more people, like you, were willing to aknowledge and be truthful about the problems Egyptians face that we wouldn't be in such a mess! I can't tell you how many times I bump into Egyptians from Egypt that say there are no sectarian problems in Egypt...and I can't help but laugh at them!!

But arima is right? What do we do? The only solution I see is to have the Young Moderates along with the Average Joes speak up...before we lose the Average Joe's to Globogym, I mean the Extremists. I think people expressing themselves on blogs is a start but much more needs to be done on the ground in Egypt. I'm not sure how long you have been removed from Egypt D.B. but what do you think the percentage of Young Moderates in Egypt is? 5%, 10%, 25%? I have no real idea but I'm afraid the answer is not as high as I want it to be. Oh well.

BTW - thanks for clarifying the ACTUAL percentage of Christians in Egypt. This is another sore point that many Christians in Egypt are very upset about. All Copts know that the government is under-representing their numbers among the population in order to shut us up. "Oh, they're only about 3-6% so they shouldn't have too much political power....blah blah" It's an effective way of marginalizing the Christians in front of the world's eye. Little do people know that there are more Copts in Egypt (12 million) than the entire populations of Lebanon (4 million) and Jordan (6 million)...COMBINED.

And I assume you meant to say "secualr" democracy not "sectarian" :) I don't think it can currently get any more sectarian right now :) well, unless the Ikhwan come to power of course.

Also, don't know if you ever saw that 3 minute special on Fox News about the Copts but if you missed it, Freedom For Egyptians has a link to it, here it is...


And a HAPPY THANKSGIVING to you D.B. and all your readers!

At 2:09 PM, Blogger D.B. Shobrawy said...

Pete-A couple things, one you are a genius for recognizing the Average Joe's joke and you get double bonus points for mentioning Globogym! I love it!

two, yes I did mean secular, excuse teh typo, i wrote this while half asleep. Yea thats right, I write posts in my sleep!

three, I think the young moderates are far below 5 percent and you can only fine them in major cities, you're not going to find them in Souhag!

At 4:57 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

:) Dude, Egyptians not only invented the pyramids...they must've invented humor too - inta demek khafeef!

Well, if the young moderates in Egypt are ONLY 5% then we're screwed! 5%??? Jeez. I can only blame this on the current government. They've suffocated the life out of free expression and political thought that Egypt no longer has anyone that critically thinks. 25 years that shithead Muburak has suppressed ANY political dissent that the once bright progressive political future (early part of the 20th century) Egypt had is gone.

Now it's either jimmy of the Ikhwan. Not good.

At 4:59 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

supposed to be jimmy 'or' the Ikhwan.

I don't think the Ikhwan have anyone named Jimmy, do they?

At 8:28 AM, Blogger Juka said...

Hmmm. Trying to figure out which would be worse and failing miserably. An extremist state or the young prince coming of age and taking over the throne... That does it. We are doomed either way.

At 4:11 PM, Blogger Cairogal said...

I swear Mubarak gets botox.

At 1:05 AM, Blogger D.B. Shobrawy said...

I cant get over how floppy his lower lip is, he looks like a sea bass.


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