Wednesday, October 04, 2006

Cat And Mouse Game

As far as Israel/Palestine is concerned you may agree with Israel you may agree with the Palestinians. Regardless of how you feel both sides can acknowledge one simple fact, the U.S. supports Israel...whole heartily, it's not a matter of contention. With that being said allow me to pose a question. Why do U.S. administrators pledge to help Palestine? Like Condoleeza Rice telling Mahmoud Abbas, 'we pledge our help', 'we are very concerned'. No your not, come on, I don't care who your enemies and allies are but lets be realistic. You provide the bombs that are dropped on Palestine, you provide the construction equipment that is used to build homes in the occupied territories, you provide the training that is used to sweep the homes of families in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, you provide the money and the legislation that has greatly diminished the Palestinian quality of life. It wouldn't bother me so much if it wasn't so ironic and contradictory.

I don't think I need to construct some analogy explaining how to deal with allies and their enemies, if I do please X out the page and never read my blog again. So what's the deal is it a matter of playing the fence? Is it guilt? Is it just keeping up appearances?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend-Arab proverb


At 7:02 AM, Blogger Rhino-itall said...

No question the U.S. supports Israel, and rightfully so.
However we were also the ones who helped to negotiate a deal that included official recognition of a palestinian state, which the palestinians rejected.
To say that the U.S. doesn't want to help them is flat wrong. Peace in that region is important to everyone.

At 8:17 AM, Blogger Twosret said...

US supports a terrorist state, an occupier and aggressor rightfully so? very nice forgein policy.

The deal of Oslo was to pamper the Israelis, was for the Palestinian Gov. to work as police men to protect the best interest of Israel.

Does anyone watch documentaries and watch what even Clinton had to say about the deal?

It is a faliure and admitted by Clinton that he was biased to Israel. Please people read and learn before you post.

At 10:12 AM, Blogger D.B. Shobrawy said...

Many people criticize the palestinians for not accepting the oslo offer but the reality is that the Oslo offer for their "own" country included an extensive network of Israeli homes and neighborhoods which would criss cross the west bank and gaza. I have a documentary saved on my computer which highlights the territories which would continue to be occupied under the Oslo agreement if anyone is interested, I can send it to you.

At 2:35 PM, Blogger Miss Carnivorous said...

Most of those people have never lived in the disputed territories. They are too young. At some point everyone that has a real claim will be dead. The European Jews did not get all their businesses. land and money back from Germans. The Japanese americans interned during WWII did not get their money and farms and businesses and houses back in many cases. The Palestinians lost their land in ill fated wars. It is the story of mankind. The Israelis had bigger friends and a better military and they won. As far as I am concerned the land is theirs to do with as they see fit, unless the Arabs can take it back by war and they can't as long as the US is Israel's ally. It's a dog eat dog world.

At 11:49 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

Yes, the US does support Israel. You're absolutely right. And that is not ever going to change. I do believe the US wants peace, though, and a mutually agreeable solution. The US does not view Palestinians as an enemy now, and it never has. That's as good as it gets for US positioning towards Palestinians, and it's probably better than it should be. Palestinians forced two US journalists to convert to Islam at gunpoint just a couple months ago. That's not good. To say the least.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend-Arab proverb

Wouldn't a variation of that be "the enemy of my friend is my enemy," DB?

Are you advocating that the US should treat Palestinians as enemies of America?

You provide the bombs that are dropped on Palestine

We sell weapons to all of our allies. We even sell weapons to neutrals. We sell weapons to Egypt, you know?

you provide the construction equipment that is used to build homes in the occupied territories

You'd prefer if Israeli construction companies bought heavy equipment from Russia? Japan? China? Europe?

What possible difference would it make?

you provide the training that is used to sweep the homes of families in the West Bank and Gaza Strip

This is untrue. The US does not train Israeli military personnel. Trust me, I would know, if we did. The US *does* train Egyptian military personnel, though.

you provide the money and the legislation that has greatly diminished the Palestinian quality of life.

Egypt and Israel *both* recieve money, as agreed to by the Camp David accords. That is a matter of treaty, agreed to by Jimmy Carter, Anwar Sadat, and Menachem Begin.

Nothing to so with Palestinians.

As far as Legislation, US lawmakers do as they see fit, and as their constituents will support. We don't work for Palestinians over here in teh US, and we don't work for the Israelis, either.

If you think Palestinians should be treated better by America, try doing something that merits better treatment. And if you'd prefer Palestinians be enemies of the United States, I'm sure that could be arranged. It wouldn't take much.

At 1:39 AM, Blogger D.B. Shobrawy said...

Craig-"Are you advocating that the US should treat Palestinians as enemies of America?" I'm certainly not advocating that, my point is a cyinical one. The U.S. DOES in fact treat the palestinians as enemies by financialy backing a country whose biggest door mat are the Palestinians.

I certainly dont agree with the actions of many palestinian groups however the palestinian people are being blended as enemies alongside Jihadist groups. You can say the people support them etc but by that logic it's justifiable for Al Qaeda to target american civilians because we support our troops.

You cited several examples inwhich the U.S. provides assistance and you asked would i rather china, japan or russia provided it, "what difference does it make"? The difference is obvious. While funding and supplying the slow and cruel genocide of palestinian civilians we are pledging help to the Palestinan leadership. It is the pure deffinition of Cat and Mouse Game.

As far as the money Egypt and Israel recieve as agreed to by the camp david accords. Its not an eternal payout. The amount goes up, it goes down and it can stop, infact congress votes on whether to continue funding to Egypt each year and this was a key issue previous to the "democratic" elections in egypt this past year. The reason our government supports Egypt is because egypt is considered a potentially large threat to Israel if not kept close to the American bosom. Tactically it is crucial to Israel and the U.S. that Egypt stays an ally and not an enemy. Do you think if the Muslim brotherhood gained control of the Egyptian Government the U.S. would continue to fund Egypt because of the camp david accords?! Obviously not.

Craig do I believe the U.S. works for Israel? Well Israel is the only country whose Bonds are redeemable in the U.S. Israel is the only country in which American citizens can fight in its army. The Israeli lobby is the second largest and most powerfull in the country after AARP and during the past presidential elections John Kerry and George W. BusH both stated "I will do what is in the best interest of Israel and the American people" Respectively. This has become standard protocol for American voters but as far as I'm concerned I dont want MY president doing anything in the interest of another country. We the American people should be their first priority.

Do I think the Palestinians should be treated as enemies of the U.S.? I dont see how they are not! Does anyone else?


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